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When you wake up then - opine about any DW kerfuffle takes your fancy...

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Ah, well now I feel like I've built it up a bit. I honestly have very little opinion on nearly every DW kerfuffle, if only because I have a tendency to enjoy nearly every pairing/character (and those I don't enjoy, I keep well enough to myself that I assume most people don't even know about it), and (in my experience, at least) shipwars tend to make both sides look equally bad/victimised. I honestly will ship anyone, and I summarily reject the idea of OTPs of any kind. That doesn't mean I summarily reject people who have OTPs! Hee, my flist would be awfully tiny if I did. I just think that, regardless of what we see on the screen, fandom is a niche for new and exciting interpretations of canon. Arguments as to whether something was or was not intended by the writers seem a bit counterproductive to me, because I really don't think one person's pairing is inherently "better" than anyone else's, regardless of canon support.

(But then, I justify over-analysing literature of all kinds by freely admitting to bulldozing over the author's intention. Half the fun of writing something is the unintentional layering that everyone interprets a wee bit differently. Fandom is all about the differences.)

Anyway. That's me, ever the peacemaker. Or, uh, ever with my head in the sand. ;)

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Fair enough...

Changing the subject completely - you probably haven't had a chance to catch my reviews of the Four&Sarah books I recently read, in which I mentioned that the only good thing I could say about "Evolution" was that it finally prompted me to start reading Holmes !

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Eee, new Holmes fan! *showers you with shiny things* I shall definitely have to read those reviews.

There are so many new/rediscovered Holmes fans on my flist that I think I may have to take desperate measures and upload a teaser of the brilliant BBC Audios, because they are incredible and my personal canon.

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Well I don't know that I'd go so far as to call myself a fan just yet - I've only read Study in Scarlet and Sign of the Four so far (although I've got Hound of the Baskervilles, a short story collection and a couple of other slim volumes in amongst the pile of library books on my table !)

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I choose to believe it's a work in progress. ;)

Yes, I tend to be a bit overzealous with new fans. Forgive me! Hee.

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LOL ! It's OK - I just don't want you to get too excited - and then me turn around a few more stories down the line and say "Well OK, they're good, but they're not THAT good" or something...

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Hee, yes! I was a bit less than enthused myself, overall, until I blindly followed

prof_pangaea's squee to the Bert Coules series of audios (the complete canon with the same two actors, for the first time ever), which flesh out even the short stories into a full 45 minutes. Very, very awesome.

The fandom's a bit terrifying, understandably. (One day I will get into a fandom that doesn't stretch back to long before I was born!)

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Ah. You make you feel better, because at the moment I'm not squeeing. It's not that I'm not enjoying them - but at the moment I'm thinking "Well OK, they're quite good, but... I'm not feeling the squee yet!" But the fact I've got another 4 volumes in the library pile shows (I hope) that I'm still open-minded and willing to be convinced !

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I seem to be that way with rather a lot of fandoms - I think that, on the whole, I'm more in love with the idea of said TV show/book/movie than I am with the TV show/book/movie itself. And I'm okay with that!

Holmes fandom is so well-established that it's well worth wading through when you get the chance. There are some amazing fanfics/pastiches out there. :D

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Not so much when as IF I get the chance given how little time I have to spare ! o_O

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prof-pangaea.livejournal.com

...the brilliant BBC Audios...

*jumping inelegently onto subject*

by the way, i dropped off the face of the planet for a while after i heard that mr. coules was in the process of writing a third further adventures series (this was a couple years ago i think!). did it air and all that, do you know? i checked his website, but it is not a very good one, and doesn't look like it's been updated for... a long time.

i should just go to the scarlet street forums, but i haven't been there in so long.

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I was wondering about this as well, and managed to find the Scarlet Street topic on the subject - amusingly enough, there is a reply to this question that was just posted yesterday.

"And I'm also afraid that it's the same story: there will be a third series but more than that at the moment I cannot say. Sorry. "

Curses. Hope it'll be soon, given the little hints he's been dropping for the last while!

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ok i went to the scarlet street boards and answered my own question. bert coules posted this yesterday (!):

"Tom,

A very belated reply to your message, I'm afraid. And I'm also afraid that it's the same story: there will be a third series but more than that at the moment I cannot say. Sorry.

Believe me, as soon as I know any details I'll put them up here. I'm very pleased by, and grateful for, the level of enthusiasm and interest here on the Street.

Bert"

all right! have not missed it, is still under production gag orders from bbc, etc. good good.

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my_daroga

This is just to say... I've never understood shipwars, either. I'll pair anyone if the writing's good and the motive's solid (even if it's just hotness). I have preferences. I have dislikes. But why does it always become an ISSUE for people?

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Tell me your thoughts on LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMS. ♥

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Goodness, this is CONTROVERSY TIME. Loomy looms!

(I don't suppose I can get away with saying that the word "loom", particularly with added 'o's, makes me giggle? No?)

My personal canon can do backbends that enable me to accept or reject looms based entirely on which way's most convenient at the time, mostly because

violetisblue's Threads has sold me on the fact that they can be used, and used well. If that means I could get in bed with the asexualists (wait, poor choice of metaphor), then yeah. Doesn't bother me one way or t'other.

Hey, I make a living out of being objective. Opinions? What are these things of which you speak? ;)

I do have a wee bit of a bias towards mindlessly accepting book canon, out of some defensiveness or other, so that probably factors in. Wouldn't touch the debate with a ten-foot pole, though!

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Please do to be posting more later! I love reading your posts, even if I don't comment. You manage to make everything seem vastly amusing. *loves*

Fannish topic: Russell T Davies. Because everyone seems to have an opinion on him.

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*loves right back* It's good to be around again!

(Also, psst - am I completely insane, or did you write my

remixredux08 remix? Because it was all kinds of awesome, and this is my Grand Theory. Ignore me if such is not the case, because I tend not to do well at guessing games!)

Eh, RTD? Ignoring personal issues I may have with the guy (which I do, because actually thinking about most of the people behind Who tends to leave me with a bit of a bad feeling in my mouth), I think he's done some good stuff. I enjoyed The Christmas Invasion quite a lot, and I think that his first-series episodes in particular were very nice (after all, they got me hooked!). Much as I enjoyed "Partners in Crime", though, I think it was one of the weaker episodes of the series thus far. But, you know, good series! So kudos, generally.

But, yeah. Good luck getting me to form a coherent opinion about any of the actors/writers/directors personally, because I tend to avoid following that sort of thing. 'Scuse me while I keep my head in the sand for a while. ;)

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YAY! More you! *grins* *pokes*

So totally not insane. Your Grand Theory reigns superior!!! Yes, I'll admit, 'twas me. What tipped you off? The over usage of commas? *grins* Also, did you know how much I totally forgot about that fic? So, you know--thanks for reminding me!! I now need to find my sockpuppet's password. I know it's around somewhere... *thinks*

It was interesting to hear your thoughts, anyway. People seem to have very strong opinions about him--he's either completely evil and destroying the franchise, or he's a genius. I'm kind of torn between the two schools of thought... Not that it really matters anymore, though!!!

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Because I feel lonely in my fangirlification, I'd like to know your opinion on C'rizz. Everybody seems to not-like him. (I don't mean that everybody hates him, like Adric, for example. It's more of a vague hostility because they liked it better when it was just Eight 'n' Charley team Tardis. And it makes me sad.)

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amaresu

C'rizz is awesome. I cried for quite a while after Absolution.

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Yeah. So did I. This audio is... agh. I mean, the plot looked a bit like "Doctor Who meets BtVS" (although it wasn't nearly as bad as Minuet in Hell, and there were some really great characters), but the ending! And Charley's reaction! And... Ah, I loved it.

Anyway, it's really nice to see fellow C'rizz fans. There are so few of them! Including you and I, there are 7 members on

eutermesan_love. Now *that* is depressing. (If I can, I'll write some C'rizz fic for

toobroadtoodeep)

Edit: Oh, btw, I'm friending you, hope you don't mind?

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amaresu

Still has more members then

luciemillertime last time I checked. I think the only community I mod that has more then 50 members is

supernatural100. Not sure what I'd do with a really popular comm.

I need to re-listen to Absolution, but I just can't quite make myself. It's very sad. I think I'll appreciate it more the second time through.

And friend away.

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I promise I'll join the comm soon as I get around to listening to Blood of the Daleks. (Yeah, I know nothing about Lucie but I know I'm gonna like her. It's just that I love every single companion, and I tend to expose my fangirlism more when it's on unpopular characters)

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amaresu

Lucie isn't loved like she should be. Part of the problem is that her stories aren't all that good. There are some really wonderful moments in them, but I think the script editor could have been a bit more demanding. At least for the first season, the new season is very good.

It's the unpopular characters that need the most love.

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C'rizz is excellent! Come on, who can resist him after listening to Caerdroia?

I really do love that he's such a totally alien companion (something that works better with the audio medium, I assume). And while his, uh, last appearance (attempting not to spoil) did rub me a bit the wrong way, I found his character pretty interesting on the whole. Remind me to write some Eight/Charley/C'rizz wacky adventure!fic!

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Totally butting in ! I've only listened to "Caerdroia" with C'rizz so far, but I loved him in that. I will eventually get to more of the Eight audios - one day soon, I hope !!

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Ah, Caerdroia ♥ It's one of my favourite audios, yeah. I don't really like the whole Divergent arc (although Natural History of Fear is quite wonderful in its creepiness, and Faith Stealer has some great crack), but Caerdroia is THE AWESOME.

Might I ask what you didn't like in Absolution? (I mean, if it's not to spoilery or anything) I didn't really *like* it all that much, but, well, I'm curious like that.

Oh, yes, please do! Wacky adventure!fic is my very favourite kind of Eight!fic ♥ (For my part, I'm probably going to write something with them more of the "temporal angst" kind. Something to do with Gallifrey 1.4, which you must listen to, for it is made of awesome.)

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I will do the little SPOILERS thing so that I can talk about it with impunity.

I haven't listened to Absolution more than the one time, and there was quite a gap between that and the other Eight audios, so that could've been a factor. It just seemed a bit wonky with Eight's characterisation - I could see it if they'd dropped more hints early on that he just wanted it to be him and Charley, but as it is, his C'rizz h8 comes out of the blue. I know it's also probably supposed to be a very meta reflection on the fans or something, but, hrm. Bit of an odd ending, all told. (I adored The Girl Who Never Was, though.)

*must listen to Gallifrey!*

*uses random MfU icon because my Eight icon is missing in action*

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Yes, I'll do the same and warn about BIG HUGE SPOILERS.

Yeah, I see your point there, especially seeing as Big Finish are so very good with foreshadowing (Terror Firma, anyone? I was completely taken aback because, woah! They really planned that far ahead? I was really impressed. And it's true that it struck me as well. I mean, even considering that, yeah, the Doctor liked C'rizz less than he liked Charley (this coming from the fact that he loves Charley so much [that's me being on the brink of shippiness, ack, help]), he's so very good at feeling guilty about people dying around him and stuff.

Yes, yes you must. Please do =D

*needs Eight icon*

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nentari.livejournal.com

Because I'm in the mood for silliness: give us your thoughts on Jack/K9.

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Jack/K9 is srs bsns, my friend. No silliness here! Never silliness. Nope.

Quite apart from the confusing mechanics that might put a damper on the mood, Jack would hit it. I mean, not so much with the flesh and blood, but acerbic wit and dry humour! It could happen.

(My challenge is now to write something with this pairing that is deep and meaningful on absolutely any level at all. Because it seems like it would be the very best crack!fic of them all.)

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(My challenge is now to write something with this pairing that is deep and meaningful on absolutely any level at all. Because it seems like it would be the very best crack!fic of them all.)
Ooh, DO IIIIT!

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Your personal opinions, please, on some of Team Cardiff's crack writers: Steven Moffat, Helen Raynor, Gareth Roberts, Paul Cornell.

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I'm gonna take the coward's way out and only comment on whether or not I like their writing - I think it's pretty much a given that Steven Moffat makes my blood boil with his brainless commentary, etc.

I really do have a tendency to enjoy Steven Moffat's episodes, because yay creepiness, and also hooray for strange situations in general (horse on a spaceship, barrage balloons - I like WTF moments in my sci-fi, I do). Also, he's the only writer who's managed to make me at all interested in Jack Harkness, so, uh.

Helen Raynor's two-parter in S3 is pretty much the only thing I haven't rewatched - it's just not all that good. I didn't mind her wacky Sontaran-flavoured adventures this time around, though, mostly because I am easy when it comes to potato-shaped aliens.

Gareth Roberts wrote "Whatever Happened to Sarah Jane?", which means that I am constantly on the verge of embarrassing myself with fannish glee. I also enjoyed "The Unicorn and the Wasp", and "The Shakespeare Code", so yes. Gold star.

Re: Cornell - I enjoyed the "Human Nature"/"Family of Blood" two-parter, mostly because yay, historical, and good characterization for Martha (minus that one pining-over-the-Doctor line that I refuse to believe actually happened). "Father's Day" I was more up in the air about, but I do seem to enjoy it more each time I watch it. I read "Human Nature" a while back and was somewhat less enthused than most people seemed to be, but that may be because I was on a road trip and skimming for the most part, and also unfamiliar at that point with the wonder that is Benny.

So, uh. Yes.

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Gareth Roberts gets so many points from me just for "Whatever Happened to Sarah Jane?" I can't even tell you. Squee. :-D And his Four-Romana tie-ins are a lot of fun too.

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I need to rewatch me some SJA, since I vaguely recall being interrupted in my last viewing by toxic fumes or something equally dramatic. Also, the fandom needs moar fannish activity in general! I can't resist a call like that.

Oh, hey! Right! I really enjoyed The Well-Mannered War, and have been combing used bookstores for the rest of his stuff. I should resume that epic quest.

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"Also, the fandom needs moar fannish activity in general!"

It totally does! Where are all the stories? (Have any recs?) When I don't have a fic deadline looming over my head I totally want to write some.

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I'm pretty sure the only stories I could rec have already found their way onto

calufrax - but then, I haven't done much in the way of digging. I was so hoping the fandom would explode into new life with the U.S. airing, but. Argh. If people would sit down and watch this instead of Torchwood, the world would be a better place. Ahem.

...jeez. I think I've written a grand total of two fics featuring SJA characters. Better remedy that!

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