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As most DS9 fans on the flist are probably aware, after the TV show ended, a set of tie-in novels started up where the series had left off, creating a relaunched "season eight" (most folks seem to put "Unity" as the season eight finale, it looks like), and now even a "season nine" of sorts.

I've started reading the relaunch novels in the order suggested here (scroll down for a list of the relaunch novels and comments about assorted other tie-ins that fit into the same timeline), and have made it to the end of the Mission Gamma quartet. And I've enjoyed them quite a lot! Lots of fantastic development for existing characters, cleverly realized new characters, and smartly unpredictable plots.

If you've been on the fence about reading these books, I'd definitely recommend giving them a shot. Since I've been enjoying them muchly, I figured I'd write them up a bit - under the cut are my (incredibly longwinded) thoughts on the four Mission Gamma novels.


One of the things that felt so satisfying about the DS9 finale was the fact that it didn't really end as such - sure, we had Odo going back to the Founders, the O'Briens going back to Earth, Garak going back to Cardassia, Worf going back to the Klingon Empire, and Sisko going to hang out with the Prophets. But we also had a new beginning: Kira in charge of Deep Space Nine, the shaky beginnings of peace with the Dominion, Cardassia picking up the pieces after its one billion dead, Nog getting promoted, Kasidy pregnant, Bajor still not a member of the Federation, Ezri and Julian newly together, and Jake now without his father. All the openings on station staff also suggested the possibility for a ton of new characters.

It wasn't the sort of finale where you felt like things were contrived to wrap up every single loose end (okay, so I had some issues with the pastede-on-yey nature of the plot featuring Sisko and Dukat's final struggle, set as it was alongside such a well-paced and (mostly) carefully plotted storyline as the end of the Dominion War) - the major plots had reached a logical stopping point, but tomorrow would be another day, with plenty of new mysteries. The relaunch novels take those tomorrows and spin them out as a fascinating serial storyline that, I think, has been largely very successful at what it's been going for.

No matter how much nitpickery I'm about to indulge in, I have enjoyed the books quite a lot overall, and I'm thrilled that there's this whole extension of a great show out there. Hurrah, extended universes!

Okay, I guess I'll just jump in with the Mission Gamma novels, because they're freshest in my mind. I'll be referring back to earlier books throughout, though, so keep in mind that comments and criticism are not necessarily being leveled at a single book.


Book One: Twilight by David R. George III

It's a bit unfortunate that this book was the first in the series, because I definitely found it the weakest of the bunch, writing-wise - the whole thing was so unnecessarily over-descriptive that I spent much of the time feeling like the book could have been half as long without losing an iota of content. Each time somebody spoke, I felt like I was about to be treated to an in-depth explanation of what their left elbow was doing at the time. There's something admirable about clear description, certainly, but only in moderation - there should be at least some semblance of a balancing act going on between what you picture in your head and what your reader's going to be able to come up with for herself.

As a contrast, Una McCormack's tie-ins do the most fantastic job with sparse description - look at the early scene in Garak's shop in "Hollow Men". The dialogue does the heavy legwork, but the little actions going on throughout add a deeper layer that fits so well with all the subterfuge going on.

Stylistic issues aside, there were elements of the plot of "Twilight" that were certainly interesting, though the glacial pacing made much of it a lot less fascinating than it could have been. Again, as a contrast, S.D. Perry's kick-off to the series wasn't particularly fast-paced in its first part, but the rhythm of it suited the expository and reflective nature of what was going on, and then the second half absolutely exploded action-wise, whereas "Twilight" suffered from having a series of exciting developments mired down by the prose.

Another downside for me was the focus on Elias Vaughn, who's managed to provoke my indifference somewhere along the way - I suppose there's too much of the tragic-hero's-backstory stuck with him, which makes him seem weirdly conventional compared to the rest of the cast. I do like that he's set up as a bit of an anti-Sisko in some ways - they both lost a wife to the Borg, but whereas Jennifer's death brought Jake and Ben closer together, Ruriko's death tore Prynn and Elias apart. My issue is that we saw another side to Sisko right from the get-go with the Emissary business. Vaughn is completely defined by his relationship with Prynn, except when his career in Starfleet Intelligence handily gives him the upper hand in some plot development. And it's a shame, because there's a lot of potential in that he's got this whole rediscovering-himself thing going, but he keeps hitting personal tragedies en route.

Vaughn's experience with the Inamuri also seemed like a bit of a cheat - the conflict between Vaughn and his daughter was one of the only things giving Vaughn any sort of depth, especially since the situation was mostly unknown, but all of a sudden Prynn finds out that, hey, her dad didn't mean to send her mom off to die and he feels really, really bad about it, so all's well that ends well. Vaughn's realization that his years avoiding Prynn were just as damaging as Ruriko's death was a nice touch, but it was repeated over and over again, so that even that facet lost its shine before long.

I think my main issue is that we still haven't seen Vaughn connect on any level (even adversarially) with anyone besides Prynn. There's a very bland mentor-protégé thing going on with Ezri that still has potential, and the end of "Abyss" certainly brought up the possibility of an interesting friendship with Julian, but we've seen no development since then. Vaughn had his big epiphany early on in "Avatar", and we haven't seen him grow in the intervening pages - except via this very contrived situation the Inamuri set up. It just wasn't a satisfying plot for me.

Enough about Vaughn, though - let's talk Quark and Ro. Hell, let's talk Quark/Ro! (Selling me on that pairing is probably the strangest thing the relaunch has ever done.) I like that they've bonded closer, in that they both see Bajor's upcoming Federation membership as a threat to their respective careers. And I actually kinda adore Treir (and finally introducing a dabo boy!). Change, whether Quark likes it or not, is always a lot of fun.

Jumping back to the A-plot, I liked the idea of the Vahni Valtupani and communication via colour - I love that sort of sci-fi thing. And I've been enjoying the continued evolution of Ezri Dax as a whole person, and as XO of the mission. What bothered me there was the way Julian kept undermining her authority and second-guessing her, including in front of Vaughn, after Roness died under her command - it seemed wildly out of character, which was disconcerting. I get that there are still issues to be resolved between them (and how!), but in previous books - and this is very much just my interpretation - it's seemed like they've been setting up the notion that Julian needs Ezri more than she needs him, and that conflict arises because he sometimes feels threatened by that. In this book, the balance of power between them seemed skewed, and a lot of what Julian was doing rang false because of that.

On to Kira! Poor Kira's been a bit rudderless since the Attainder came down on top of everything else, and it's weird to see her without a driving force or an explicit mission or adversary to be faced down. From a characterization standpoint, I actually like the notion that she's trying to stay in the background during all this political upheaval, trying to just run her station and keep moving, because it feels a bit like she's been in shock for much of the relaunch, and that seems realistic considering what's been going on (especially now that she's responsible for a schism in the Vedek Assembly). In the past, Kira could get angry, but now she has to be diplomatic, and that's been making her shut down altogether. And I can buy that she's not used to being in the public eye, because her presence as Bajoran liaison officer aboard DS9 during the series seemed not to give her any particular fame among her people (though that in itself feels like a bit of an omission that would be nice to see addressed in fanfic!). All that said, though, I really want to see her taking an active role in something again, rather than just reacting to all the political machinations going on, fascinating as they may be.

Also, hey, speaking of characters who haven't had much to do, what's happening with this Sam Bowers guy? We haven't seen much of him yet, apart from the odd scrap of backstory. It'd be nice to see more, if only so I can form an opinion of some sort.

Taran'atar is kind of my favourite, which is silly, I know, but come on, that scene with him in the schoolroom? Little kids and Jem'Hadar, man, I don't know. That poor guy's got a heckuva learning curve to contend with, considering how weird the denizens of DS9 are even by Alpha Quadrant standards. His impromptu meeting with Nog was well done, and appropriately chilling in that he was just passing by and Nog was preparing to die. Poor kid.

Speaking of people about whom I say "poor kid" a lot, it's Shar! Interesting to see the intro of his relationship with his bondmates, though we'll get more detail on that later. The whole thing with Thriss rubs me the wrong way (she's all "I love you so much that I can't live without even hearing from you for a few weeks, literally", and he's had a much less dramatic reaction, though I suspect that'll change once he's back on the station), but I get the impression that it's supposed to do that, so I'll reserve judgement on that until a later date. Loving the friendship between Shar and Nog, especially the hug in "Cathedral".

And that's enough about "Twilight" - I enjoyed it overall, but the writing style and bits and pieces of characterization ran false enough that I felt it was the weakest in the Mission Gamma series.


Book Two: This Gray Spirit by Heather Jarman

Definitely a contrast! I felt that this was the strongest book in the Mission Gamma series, in fact, which is an opinion that was possibly coloured by jumping straight into this one after "Twilight". Encountering humor and good-natured banter again was a welcome relief, as was the shift of focus away from Vaughn and his navel-gazing.

The running gag with "Burning Hearts of Qo'noS" was a fun one, as were the poker games - even the extremely minor characters got some much-needed fleshing out in this one, personality-wise, which made the forty-person crew (well, thirty-nine now that we're sans Roness) seem a bit more like a family.

I kind of love the way Gul Macet keeps popping up, all "What's happening, dudes? Yeah, I still totally look like Dukat, man. What's with that? Anyway, mind if I come visit?". If these books were being televised, I'd accuse the writers of bringing in Macet just to get Marc Alaimo back - it's kind of bizarre not to have that excuse here, unless it was all a conspiracy on the part of the cover artists or something. I do like that he's being used as a way to gauge the capability of the Bajorans (and Kira in particular) to look past the shadow of Dukat, though. It's all quite nicely done.

I like the new closeness between Ro and Kira - maybe it's more of a truce at this point than anything, personally, but professionally they work extremely well together now. I would watch a whole show about those two just trying to keep the station running smoothly, and being about thirty kinds of awesome in the process.

The reveal of Ziyal's artwork was a genuinely startling one, and having the exhibit be vandalized was a shocking but symbolic little twist. And speaking of twists, I loved the fact that Asarem was only sabotaging the Cardassian peace talks on Shakaar's authority! Nicely done. The "he's changed in recent months" thing wasn't as heavy-handed at this point, either, which I appreciated for reasons I'll address a bit further down.

The bits with Shar's bondmates were very well done, although as mentioned before, I have a bit of trouble with Thriss. The suicide was painfully well done, though, and I'm expecting we'll see some spectacular fireworks once Shar gets back to the station.

Meanwhile, back in the Gamma Quadrant, Ezri gets to be a diplomat, Shar gets to be a dissident, Vaughn gets to be a wheeler-dealer, and Nog gets to run around being awesome. There were multiple small twists in the plot there, too, but I found myself mostly hoping to get back to the stuff going on station-side. Ezri's development was excellent in this one, I thought, even though the resolution where she had to use her own counseling abilities instead of the expertise of another of Dax's hosts was a bit heavy-handed.

I enjoyed this one quite a lot - it just read well, and the pacing was excellent.


Book Three: Cathedral by Michael A. Martin and Andy Mangels

This one was also very good - I loved the image of that multidimensional cathedral tumbling through space, and all of the analogies that came up to try and describe what was going on visually. Very cool stuff. Did I mention I like sci-fi stuff like that?

Of all the experiences the crew of the Sagan had in connection with the cathedral, I actually found Nog's the most interesting, perhaps because we've already seen similar ground covered for Ezri in previous books re: her part in the Dax symbiont's history, and I've possibly overdosed on fanfic about the Julian-who-might-have-been, some of which may have handled the whole thing better.

This whole plot read a bit like a "three things that never happened" fic, actually! I couldn't help feeling that the Alice in Wonderland connection of Julian's final hallucination/parallel should've been brought up more obviously early on or left out altogether.

Let's talk Julian for a second, because I've had a bit of a beef with his development (or lack thereof) in the relaunch to date. "Avatar" set up so much potential, and while the conflict with Ezri has been developed in some manner, there's been absolutely no reference to that bit where Kitana'klan attacked him, and he nearly bled to death, which would understandably be a bit traumatic emotionally as well as physically. I mean, there he was immediately afterwards in "Abyss", working alongside Taran'atar, and it seemed like they were totally square just because Taran'atar was the one who wound up killing Kitana'klan. You'd think there'd at least be a bit of hesitation here and there, much like Nog's reaction to running into Taran'atar in "Twilight", wouldn't you? Or have I read too much fanfic?

I actually really liked the universal translator's issues with the language - it was handled well, though I would've liked to have seen a more dramatic misinterpretation at some point. And I liked the fact that one race feared the cathedral while the other worshipped it - it seemed like a natural dichotomy for something like that.

Oh, and the description of Julian's mnemonic device was pretty excellent, too! Having used things like that myself, they're a lot of fun to see in print.

And how about that Vedek Yevir, man? You think you know a guy as a total jerkwad, and then he goes off to Cardassia and brings back four Orbs of the Prophets, while simultaneously forging a peace that completely sidesteps the political process. Well played, authors. Well played. Nice to see Garak in his little cameo, too!

And the big twist at the end? I was spoiled for Shakaar's assassination by a Memory Beta page (my fault, I know), but I didn't know the who or why or when. That said, it was pretty obvious to me that Gard would be the one to do it, if only because it was such a clichéd narrative device - dude shows up out of the blue to go after one half of an established romantic couple, dude is pretty much too good to be true, dude is actually evil bet you didn't see that one coming. So that was a bit of a disappointment.

And here's a sentence I never thought I'd type: I wish they hadn't gone the parasitic brain-worm route. I was really, really hoping that the earlier references to changes in Shakaar would have been explained in some other way, that there was an actual reason for Shakaar to be acting so strangely. Heck, I would've been happy if we'd had a red herring going on, where Kira would come up with a plausible motivation for Shakaar to be acting the way he was and then we'd actually be shocked when it turned out he was being controlled all along. Alas, the whole time, we just got "Shakaar's acting really weird, he's not himself lately, HE'S NOT HIMSELF GEDDIT", which wasn't quite conducive to maintaining suspense for long.

That said, yikes, almost beheading the guy? That's gonna sting in the morning.

Predictability aside, I really liked this book as well, though again, I found everything happening at the station more exciting than what was going on elsewhere.


Book Four: Lesser Evil by Robert Simpson

This book was a lot more lightweight than the others, but it did a good job with the plots it did choose to tackle.

The Ruriko-Elias-Prynn plot was quite well done, especially the shock ending - not so much that Vaughn killed her, but the reason why Vaughn killed her. I'm hoping that the fact that Ezri knows the truth will help strengthen the friendship between them, and that Vaughn won't go back to existing only to introspect at length.

That said? I loved the flashbacks featuring a younger Vaughn and Ruriko as rival Intelligence agents. So much fun. And I love that Ruriko was able to step away from the job, and that Vaughn's obsession with Intelligence work wasn't treated as a wholly positive thing. It made a nice change. And there were some nice scenes between Prynn and Vaughn toward the end, there ("You are so screwed up", indeed). I just hope we're not back to square one with those two, because I might need to jump out an airlock if we're going to tread over all that ground all over again.

I honestly did like that Vaughn completely lost control for a while, there, and that his whole crew was doubting his competence. That was nice to see, for once, because there's been this strange vibe with him. If the writers were brave enough to take that to its logical extreme, we could even have him going rogue - he's made no meaningful connections among the crew of the Defiant, and every time he has a positive, life-affirming epiphany, it all twists and goes horribly wrong. That would be a lot of fun to see, anyway.

Kira finally got to do something! Granted, the twist was pretty darn obvious again, in almost exactly the same way as Gard's duplicity was in the last book. I did like that we had a bit of an unreliable narrator going on, in that all our information about Shakaar's time on the ship came direct from Montenegro, but it was still patently obvious that Kira was being played the whole time. I loved the interactions between Kira and Mello, though, and it was such a shame that Mello wound up getting killed off (even though it did result in that moment where Kira became captain of the Gryphon). The bit with Akaar "losing" the paperwork that withdrew Kira's Starfleet commission was pretty awesome, too.

But hurrah, Jake's reappearance! And Kai Opaka! Nice twist at the end, there. I'm gonna go read "Rising Son", now, to fill in the gaps.

All in all, I enjoyed "Lesser Evil" quite a lot.




Phew. That was long! I haven't properly reviewed anything in a long time.

If you reply (and I hope you do, even if you just want to tell me how wrong I am about all of the above!), I just want to mention that I haven't read beyond "Lesser Evil" yet, and so I'd really appreciate it if you avoided spoilers for later books in your replies.

Date: 2010-07-31 03:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oldstarnewshine.livejournal.com
My main problem with the Sisko vs Dukat ending was that I never felt like Sisko and Dukat were capital-A Archenemies; I felt like the Dukat plotline should have been resolved with Kira and the Kai. I guess they felt then that there was nothing for Sisko to do, but surely they could have done something Prophet-related? I dunno.

I haven't started the novels yet but I hear they have some Jem'Hadar main characters and AHH ALL OF MY FICBUTTONS so obviously I will be eventually picking them up. But I have to ask, is the Garak book any good?

Date: 2010-07-31 03:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eponymous-rose.livejournal.com
I felt like the Dukat plotline should have been resolved with Kira and the Kai.

Oh, agreed. If we were going to have a major showdown involving Dukat, I was expecting it to be with Kira rather than Sisko.

But I have to ask, is the Garak book any good?

"A Stitch in Time"? I enjoyed it quite a lot, though it maybe takes a few liberties with established canon when it comes to Cardassia (not that we have a whole lot to work with, there). My biggest issue was that it was essentially putting to rest a lot of things that were previously mysteries about Garak, so I found myself reading it as something a bit detached from canon, just because it only tangentially matched up with my headcanon. On its own terms, though, it's a very good book. It also ties in here and there with the relaunch novels, so that's another good excuse to read it. ;)

Date: 2010-07-31 05:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avarill.livejournal.com
DS9 was my favorite Trek, but I couldn't get enthused about the novels because my absolute favorite character = Odo, was no longer around!

Still, it's good to see that DS9 is not forgotten.

Date: 2010-07-31 03:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eponymous-rose.livejournal.com
Odo, was no longer around!

Oh, I can definitely understand that! It took me a while to talk myself into reading them, if only because so much had changed - in the end, I wound up going for it and telling myself I'd think of it as an original series if the absences bothered me too much. And I was won over! But then, my all-time favourite character is Kira, who was still present, so that was also a major incentive.

It's so cool to see how many people have just been getting into the show recently as well!

Date: 2010-07-31 06:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meddow.livejournal.com
Oh, yay! I was hoping somebody on LJ would one day spark up a discussion about the books. I read most of the books a couple of months ago and love them. Although, I'm a bit miserable about there not appearing to be any more books coming out for a good long time (at least there's no books currently scheduled for 2011).

I agree with you about Twilight being overly descriptive and just far too long. It really didn't need to be and it made it a bit of a chore to get through. Plus, I'm was way more interested in the political intrigue back on DS9 throughout, but then, I've always been more interested in politics and conflict than interesting alien species/artefact of the week type stories.

Vaughan is my big problem with the series. I really couldn't care less about him, and there's also a whiff of 'quick, we need a white, human male because we can't possibly have a series with alien female as the main character' about him. Plus there's some other stuff in the later books that irritates me so much. And, basically, I just want him to go away.

Taran'atar, though, I love him to bits. I love his complete puzzlement at life in the alpha quadrant and his strange friendships with Kira and Ro. Pretty much any scene with him in is a joy.

Speaking of those two, I would totally be into a series just about Kira and Ro as well (and if Taran'atar were chucked in, it would be extra awesome). I was so happy about the books having those two finally meet, but then also giving them all that wonderful conflict and having it evolve into respect, was more than I could have hoped for.

Ro/Quark is so left field but utterly adorable. I read something about it before I read the novels and thought 'surely not,' but the books really sell the relationship and it oddly works.

About the Macet thing, Marc Alamo played Macet in the episode of TNG introducing the Cardassians, so they're just having fun with the fact that Marc Alamo's played two characters.

And I want to say more, but it'll be all spoilery for the later books so I'll leave it.

Date: 2010-07-31 03:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eponymous-rose.livejournal.com
Although, I'm a bit miserable about there not appearing to be any more books coming out for a good long time (at least there's no books currently scheduled for 2011).

Yes! This made me sadface, especially since it looks like I may well be caught up by the time September rolls around. I suspect I may just jump in to some other Trek novels in the meantime - I like what I've read thus far of the SCE books, actually, and there are about a billion of those. (Granted, they're all pretty short, but still!)

Plus, I'm was way more interested in the political intrigue back on DS9 throughout, but then, I've always been more interested in politics and conflict than interesting alien species/artefact of the week type stories.

I was the same way - I love the initial "Oh, that's really cool" aspect of the alien-of-the-week stuff, but I'm really most interested in the political machinations going on at home. Which is so uncharacteristic of me - I'm the type who watched the X-Files for the monster-of-the-week eps.

And, basically, I just want him to go away.

I honestly tried to give him a chance, because I'd heard from a lot of people that he wasn't particularly well-liked, but... yeah. He can mysteriously disappear (or, my personal favourite, turn evil!) anytime now.

Taran'atar, though, I love him to bits.

Yay, a fellow Taran'atar fan! The root beer float scene at Quark's absolutely cracked me up.

I was so happy about the books having those two finally meet, but then also giving them all that wonderful conflict and having it evolve into respect, was more than I could have hoped for.

Yes, this! ♥ Seeing them at odds made sense, but having them hit mutual respect and even grudging friendship makes me way too happy. It seems like there are so many female relationships in various fandoms based solely on competition, but DS9's always been excellent at portraying the complex, multilayered friendship side of things, which I adore.

Ro/Quark is so left field but utterly adorable.

It was such a weirdly natural thing that I wonder to what extent it was planned. Definitely adorable!

About the Macet thing, Marc Alamo played Macet in the episode of TNG introducing the Cardassians

Yup, I remember the episode! I was just amused, because that sort of thing is usually a ratings stunt in a TV show - but they honestly have done a good job with it.

And I want to say more, but it'll be all spoilery for the later books so I'll leave it.

Yay, thank you! I've been spoiled for one thing in "Unity", but again, I'm not entirely sure of the where and when and why. I'll make another post (possibly many more, book-by-book), and I look forward to more discussion then!

Date: 2010-07-31 06:31 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] 4thofeleven.livejournal.com
Vaughn always struck me as the biggest weakness of the relaunch novels - as you said, he doesn't really have any connection to the other characters, and he feels a little Sue-ish to me... there seems to have been a lot of effort to emphasise that he's MYSTERIOUS and knows SECRETS and everyone in Starfleet respects him, but there never seemed to be any real pay-off... Kind of a shame, since Taran'atar and Shar seemed a lot more smoothly integrated with the existing characters.

I actually agree that I found bringing back the 'Conspiracy' parasites was one of the less interesting ways the Shakaar plot could have gone - admittedly, that may just be I'm not that interested in the Trill as I am in Bajoran politics.

The books really do make Quark/Ro work remarkably well as a possibilty don't they? Considering the pairing looks like the result of some sort of random crack!fic generator...

Date: 2010-07-31 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eponymous-rose.livejournal.com
and he feels a little Sue-ish to me.

This is a very good point! He does have all the warning signs. I keep hoping they'll do something more interesting with him in later novels, but I'm not exactly holding out hope.

Kind of a shame, since Taran'atar and Shar seemed a lot more smoothly integrated with the existing characters.

Oh, definitely! I can understand that part of that would be related to Vaughn's whole "I am a riddle, wrapped in an enigma, with a creamy tragic-backstory filling" thing, but it just feels strange to have someone so much on the outside, with no particularly appealing traits to back it up. If Ro Laren can integrate with this crew, anyone can!

admittedly, that may just be I'm not that interested in the Trill as I am in Bajoran politics.

I'm hoping they'll win me over on this one, if only because of the massive turmoil this is sure to bring to Federation-Bajoran relations, but it still felt like a bit of a cop-out.

Considering the pairing looks like the result of some sort of random crack!fic generator...

Hah! Yes, exactly. I have no idea whatsoever how they managed to make that plausible, but manage it they have.

Date: 2010-07-31 08:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cosmic-llin.livejournal.com
Aaargh, I wish it was like, two weeks in the future! I'm still only on This Gray Spirit... Really enjoying so far, though... even if I'm finding the stuff on the station a lot more interesting than the Defiant storylines. It's not that the Defiant stuff isn't interesting, just every time it switches I'm like, oh no, what are Kira and Ro doing?

Anyway, when I'm done reading I'll come back and actually read the post above! ;)

Date: 2010-07-31 03:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eponymous-rose.livejournal.com
I'm still only on This Gray Spirit...

Hey, you're at least the second person on my flist who's reading that book right now! Strange coincidence. I maybe should have held off on my posting. ;)

I was considering making a post about the earlier books, but I kept finding that my memory was making a mess of which book was which. From here on out, though, I might just post reviews of individual books and see how that goes.

It's not that the Defiant stuff isn't interesting, just every time it switches I'm like, oh no, what are Kira and Ro doing?

Hee! Clearly we are meant to be on each other's flists, because I typed almost exactly the same sentence up in the post. :D

Date: 2010-08-02 08:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cosmic-llin.livejournal.com
Haha, awesome!

*resists the urge to scroll up and read*

Date: 2010-07-31 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-gratia.livejournal.com
Oh, yay! Thanks for this.

I do love that DS9 ends with a story remaining to be told, but I did find that it overextended itself trying to tie up the Emissary mytharc – I didn't buy Winn or Dukat in their respective roles, and the struggle of the Pah-Wraiths against the Prophets really felt like it had nothing to do with the show's real center of gravity. And some of the montage stuff really just felt like emotional blackmail. This is where the TNG finale is so brilliant – it manages to be a love-letter to everything that was great about that show, and to give a sense of closure without distorting story and character in an effort to tie off loose ends. That final aerial shot of the poker table – I wanted the (slightly darker, more complex) equivalent, for DS9. What's attractive to me about the relaunch novels is the prospect of some kind of restoration of that balance that we seemed to lose in the finale.

But on to the main topic of this post. Oh, dear. I've been trying so hard to be a good girl and not get involved with the novels, but you're making that very, very difficult. I only skimmed, to avoid too much spoilerage – Quark and Ro really caught my eye, half WTF and half swoon. And I'm sorry to hear that Kira's not so present – she's so much of what I miss about the show. And another, less gleeful, WTF echoing what [livejournal.com profile] meddow says above – what's the need for a new d00dly Starfleet character? That's not where anyone's interest in DS9 lies, so why even go there? Facepalm.

And a small request. Could you maybe say a bit more that's not too spoilery about the quality of the writing? That's what's really holding me back, at this stage – fear that bad prose will permanently distort my view of the DS9 'verse.

Date: 2010-07-31 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eponymous-rose.livejournal.com
I did find that it overextended itself trying to tie up the Emissary mytharc

Oh, agreed! I felt like it was remarkable that the Dominion War plot resolved in such a satisfying way, and then jumping straight from the celebratory-night-at-Vic's that should have been the final scene, we get the whole Pah-Wraith thing out of nowhere. That's my main beef with the finale.

And some of the montage stuff really just felt like emotional blackmail.

I agree - it seemed like a bit of a self-indulgence on the part of the writers. And I'm definitely agreed that TNG had a more emotionally powerful finale! Subtlety is key.

What's attractive to me about the relaunch novels is the prospect of some kind of restoration of that balance that we seemed to lose in the finale.

Personally, I think they've managed to do a very good job of just that: taking even the most convoluted bits and pieces of the finale and running with them in a way that makes sense.

Quark and Ro really caught my eye, half WTF and half swoon.

I have no idea how the writers pull it off. None whatsoever. I still boggle when I catch myself wanting to write fic.

And I'm sorry to hear that Kira's not so present

Keep in mind that this is one miniseries in the midst of the entire relaunch - in the other books, she has been much more present, and even in these, she's still the main character station-side. It's like the sixth-season opening arc - I enjoyed what was going on with the Starfleet people, but I was most interested in what was happening back at the station, so I wanted more scenes back there.

That's not where anyone's interest in DS9 lies, so why even go there?

Yeah, agreed. It was a shame, considering the novels are otherwise very good at introducing more unconventional characters, which is way more in keeping with how DS9 operates. At least there are so many characters that Vaughn's time in the spotlight is limited!

Could you maybe say a bit more that's not too spoilery about the quality of the writing?

Of course! This is always my main concern with any kind of writing - I have ridiculously high standards when it comes to reading prose (I love murder mysteries, but there are only a handful of authors I can stomach without wanting to fling the book across the room). That said, I'm always willing to give tie-ins a bit more latitude, mostly because I read them as fanfic. And for the most part? Prose-wise, these novels are up to the standards of really excellent, rec-worthy fanfic. The first novel in the Mission Gamma miniseries is the most glaring exception, I think - it's the only case where the prose really detracted from the story for me. But otherwise, the writing is very good, and considering some later stories are written by folks like [livejournal.com profile] altariel, I can safely say that the prose is up to snuff.

If you decide to go for them, I hope you share your thoughts! It's cool that there seems to be a bit of a renaissance of the fandom recently, and I'm looking forward to having more people to discuss the novels with. :)

Date: 2010-07-31 05:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skywaterblue.livejournal.com
Hmm, my favorite thing about "Lesser Evil" is the changeling. Otherwise I find that it's a storyline we'd probably have found more effective with Sisko? Likewise, I think my favorite thing about "Cathedral" is that Dax the Symbiont gets a word in or two about the situation - the show never clarifies if the symbionts are actually sentient or what the deal is, so I understand why they get treated like organs, but if you're gonna go alien go full alien?

Like a lot of people, Vaughn and by extension, Prynn, are the weak links among the new characters.

The situation with the DS9 books is really, really frustrating right now. I'm not sure if I've whined about it yet. Behind the scenes, the line was being edited by Marco Palmeri, who was basically the script editor/showrunner for "seasons" eight and nine. Well, some stuff happens in the plot that necessitated expanding one book into three books, and then one of those books had the writer drop out so the third one couldn't come out till they had found a replacement and...

...by the time the storyline got back on track, Marco Palmeri was let go from his job because of the recession, his boss was put in charge briefly and SHE decided that the DS9 relaunch was way too far behind chronologically to the rest of the books and they'd have to jump forward a couple of years. (Uh, because while the DS9 books haven't been running for two and a half years or so, major events have occurred in the rest of the lines which were running post-Nemesis to start with...)

And then predictably, she got fired.

So anyway: there are DS9 books coming out this fall, actually, which are supposed to start reintegrating the DS9 characters into the rest of the storylines before bringing the whole Relaunch forward, but where this leaves a lot of shit is cause for big wank and consternation among the Relaunch fans.

Date: 2010-07-31 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eponymous-rose.livejournal.com
Otherwise I find that it's a storyline we'd probably have found more effective with Sisko?

Definitely. Wasn't there a spec script for the TV show somewhere along the way that would've had a similar plot for Sisko?

I didn't mention the changeling, but she was definitely an interesting part of the whole plot.

Like a lot of people, Vaughn and by extension, Prynn, are the weak links among the new characters.

Prynn doesn't actually bother me much, possibly because she's not being presented as a front-and-center character so much as Vaughn, so flaws in characterisation don't seem as glaring. We've even seen her connect a bit more with her crewmates, too.

but where this leaves a lot of shit is cause for big wank and consternation among the Relaunch fans.

Ouch. I hate when they do things like that! I'd be more optimistic if it weren't for the fact that it looks like David R. George III is starting up this relaunch of the Relaunch. (Although I am enjoying perusing the TrekBBS threads about it - I've seen Godwin's Law already! I did snicker at his remark about "skipping right to season fourteen".)

I guess this means I should get on top of the other relaunches, doesn't it?

Date: 2010-07-31 07:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skywaterblue.livejournal.com
Definitely. Wasn't there a spec script for the TV show somewhere along the way that would've had a similar plot for Sisko?

Yes, and I believe this book may even have been by the spec script writer, though I'd have to pull out the DS9 Companion and try and figure out where they mentioned it to confirm.

Prynn only annoys me because everything about her seems a little precious and I'm not that into her daddy-issues. I also dislike her canon ship.

I guess this means I should get on top of the other relaunches, doesn't it?

Supposedly Titan and TNG are really good, but that's too much TNG in my diet. I haven't even read Destiny, I'm just going off what I've heard from the summary and following the TrekBBS board discussions. (Some of the choices in Destiny sound like they'll piss me off in the extreme - I'm not a fan of destroying things in the Federation just to convince everyone the situation is really serious and dire.)


Date: 2010-07-31 09:13 pm (UTC)
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Okay, I'll give the rest of the Mission Gamma books a chance. But I refuse to attempt to get through Twilight again.

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